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		<title>By: Meriam</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Meriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry, slightly off-topic.) 
I would love to read your post on orientalism with regards to the two books you mentioned in your post. &lt;i&gt;Mr Impossible&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;As you Desire&lt;/i&gt; both left me feeling uncomfortable, but in a hard to articulate-without sounding-overly-sensitive and-think-skinned kind of way... Particularly the latter, because I really like Chase and felt let down a little by her caricatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry, slightly off-topic.)<br />
I would love to read your post on orientalism with regards to the two books you mentioned in your post. <i>Mr Impossible</i> and <i>As you Desire</i> both left me feeling uncomfortable, but in a hard to articulate-without sounding-overly-sensitive and-think-skinned kind of way&#8230; Particularly the latter, because I really like Chase and felt let down a little by her caricatures.</p>
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		<title>By: blackromancereader</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>blackromancereader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand wanting to feel at ease, but issues like race simply don&#039;t allow the marginalized to frequently feel at ease. In fact, I feel that it is that &quot;ease&quot; that allows things to continue the way they are. Sure a book may make you think, but do you act upon it? Did the knee-jerk reaction you typically had towards a person of color, born from stereotypes and the legacy of &quot;whiteness&quot;, disappear or did you catch it and check it? That&#039;s proactive anti-racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand wanting to feel at ease, but issues like race simply don&#8217;t allow the marginalized to frequently feel at ease. In fact, I feel that it is that &#8220;ease&#8221; that allows things to continue the way they are. Sure a book may make you think, but do you act upon it? Did the knee-jerk reaction you typically had towards a person of color, born from stereotypes and the legacy of &#8220;whiteness&#8221;, disappear or did you catch it and check it? That&#8217;s proactive anti-racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemmifer</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Gemmifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like fantasy for exactly the reason readerimarriedhim describes. It makes me able to enjoy the read without getting all political about it and sometimes it even makes me see an old issue in a new light. 

Only very few exceptional individuals read and write with a neutral mind about real life.
Also, let&#039;s face it, everybody only reads books that present their real world nation/opinion/plight in a sympathetic light and the other views as moderately evil and stupid.

When I feel like cursing the whole time or thinking &quot;Take that, political stance X&quot;, then I&#039;m not getting the whole picture. 
When I read about the enmity between dwarfs and elves and it is funny, then I&#039;m able to think about the causes of racism and war and even evaluating my own opinions anew. Because I&#039;m at ease, not fuming or triumphing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like fantasy for exactly the reason readerimarriedhim describes. It makes me able to enjoy the read without getting all political about it and sometimes it even makes me see an old issue in a new light. </p>
<p>Only very few exceptional individuals read and write with a neutral mind about real life.<br />
Also, let&#8217;s face it, everybody only reads books that present their real world nation/opinion/plight in a sympathetic light and the other views as moderately evil and stupid.</p>
<p>When I feel like cursing the whole time or thinking &#8220;Take that, political stance X&#8221;, then I&#8217;m not getting the whole picture.<br />
When I read about the enmity between dwarfs and elves and it is funny, then I&#8217;m able to think about the causes of racism and war and even evaluating my own opinions anew. Because I&#8217;m at ease, not fuming or triumphing.</p>
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		<title>By: kerrita k.</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>kerrita k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 22:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or. for example. in nora roberts&#039; current/modern world there are black characters who are throwaways - the vampire series anyone?  i knew the character - whose name i cannot remember (king?) was going to die - because he was a black male character and would not find love/sex even as he moved through time! 
....
while in j.d. robbs&#039; world - the future - there are multiethnic characters everywhere! in love, in power, reproducing, best friends. the very descriptions of the denizens  of this multi-racial future are rich, lush, inviting and real.

i am a serial reader of her work and wonder what statement that makes? of her and us as readers? 
*shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or. for example. in nora roberts&#8217; current/modern world there are black characters who are throwaways &#8211; the vampire series anyone?  i knew the character &#8211; whose name i cannot remember (king?) was going to die &#8211; because he was a black male character and would not find love/sex even as he moved through time!<br />
&#8230;.<br />
while in j.d. robbs&#8217; world &#8211; the future &#8211; there are multiethnic characters everywhere! in love, in power, reproducing, best friends. the very descriptions of the denizens  of this multi-racial future are rich, lush, inviting and real.</p>
<p>i am a serial reader of her work and wonder what statement that makes? of her and us as readers?<br />
*shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: blackromancereader</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>blackromancereader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if we cannot be honest about this, then what’s the point of having a dialogue?&lt;/i&gt;

Which is why I&#039;ve kept my online discussions on race in places where I feel &quot;safe&quot;. I can only imagine how Monica feels, having been fighting in the trenches for much longer than I have. The &quot;safe&quot; space created by the romance genre (or any genre of womens fiction) has bothered me for a while, and I&#039;m still sorting out the trouble, but to put it succinctly, it feels like the mainstream feminist movement: the &quot;safe&quot; place is to keep the white middle-class reader &quot;safe&quot; from anything &quot;disturbing&quot;--which is why any discussion of race (or at least a discussion by someone avowedly non-white) raises hackles. 

But I wrote the review here: http://blackromancereader.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/iron-kissed-by-patricia-briggs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if we cannot be honest about this, then what’s the point of having a dialogue?</i></p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;ve kept my online discussions on race in places where I feel &#8220;safe&#8221;. I can only imagine how Monica feels, having been fighting in the trenches for much longer than I have. The &#8220;safe&#8221; space created by the romance genre (or any genre of womens fiction) has bothered me for a while, and I&#8217;m still sorting out the trouble, but to put it succinctly, it feels like the mainstream feminist movement: the &#8220;safe&#8221; place is to keep the white middle-class reader &#8220;safe&#8221; from anything &#8220;disturbing&#8221;&#8211;which is why any discussion of race (or at least a discussion by someone avowedly non-white) raises hackles. </p>
<p>But I wrote the review here: <a href="http://blackromancereader.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/iron-kissed-by-patricia-briggs/" rel="nofollow">http://blackromancereader.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/iron-kissed-by-patricia-briggs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: readerimarriedhim</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>readerimarriedhim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, may I read this review?  Was it online?  I would be very interested in reading it and getting my toes wet in urban fantasy.
Thanks for coming over, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, may I read this review?  Was it online?  I would be very interested in reading it and getting my toes wet in urban fantasy.<br />
Thanks for coming over, too!</p>
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		<title>By: readerimarriedhim</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>readerimarriedhim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry it took so long to approve your post, blackromancereader! (my spam filter catches posts with lots of links, and I&#039;m still feeling my way around all these new buttons and options.)

I think it&#039;s really interesting that you referenced stuff white people like because it&#039;s not only a critique of a certain blithe and self-satisfied ignorance, but a critique that seems (to me) to be directed at a very specific class of white people- well-off urban liberal hipsters.  We&#039;ve been passing the links around my campus and it&#039;s awful and funny and uncomfortable all at once because UofC is a campus full of white well-off urban liberal hipsters who think that they&#039;re going to save the world.  Evaluating their own privilege and baggage would only slow them down.  Even though I don&#039;t like to think of myself as one of this crowd, my scarf and New Balance wearing-body might testify differently!

I agree that it is insulting that white readers/writers might like to engage with race in the mediated and comfortable environment of genre fiction but not in the real world.  I haven&#039;t really gotten to a lot of urban fantasy, so my critique missed this genre.  However, in the romance that I have read to date, race is almost universally invisible- unless, of course, I walk over to Border&#039;s African-American fiction section.  What struck me about Monica Jackson&#039;s post was that she notices that people tackle all sorts of anxieties both within and around the romance novel.  (Whether or not these conversations translate into action in nonromanceland is debatable).  Yet race seems to be *the* most uncomfortable-to-the-point-of-avoidance topic for almost every (not-black) romance reader and writer.

Perhaps most disturbing for me is that there is not even a space to bring up a critique of this state of affairs.  Any mention of race brings up the affronted &quot;are you calling *me* a racist?&quot; and quickly shuts off any sort of reasoned or productive dialogue.  This is, in my opinion, one of the sillier responses because no one in America really escapes imbibing race prejudice; if we cannot be honest about this, then what&#039;s the point of having a dialogue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it took so long to approve your post, blackromancereader! (my spam filter catches posts with lots of links, and I&#8217;m still feeling my way around all these new buttons and options.)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s really interesting that you referenced stuff white people like because it&#8217;s not only a critique of a certain blithe and self-satisfied ignorance, but a critique that seems (to me) to be directed at a very specific class of white people- well-off urban liberal hipsters.  We&#8217;ve been passing the links around my campus and it&#8217;s awful and funny and uncomfortable all at once because UofC is a campus full of white well-off urban liberal hipsters who think that they&#8217;re going to save the world.  Evaluating their own privilege and baggage would only slow them down.  Even though I don&#8217;t like to think of myself as one of this crowd, my scarf and New Balance wearing-body might testify differently!</p>
<p>I agree that it is insulting that white readers/writers might like to engage with race in the mediated and comfortable environment of genre fiction but not in the real world.  I haven&#8217;t really gotten to a lot of urban fantasy, so my critique missed this genre.  However, in the romance that I have read to date, race is almost universally invisible- unless, of course, I walk over to Border&#8217;s African-American fiction section.  What struck me about Monica Jackson&#8217;s post was that she notices that people tackle all sorts of anxieties both within and around the romance novel.  (Whether or not these conversations translate into action in nonromanceland is debatable).  Yet race seems to be *the* most uncomfortable-to-the-point-of-avoidance topic for almost every (not-black) romance reader and writer.</p>
<p>Perhaps most disturbing for me is that there is not even a space to bring up a critique of this state of affairs.  Any mention of race brings up the affronted &#8220;are you calling *me* a racist?&#8221; and quickly shuts off any sort of reasoned or productive dialogue.  This is, in my opinion, one of the sillier responses because no one in America really escapes imbibing race prejudice; if we cannot be honest about this, then what&#8217;s the point of having a dialogue?</p>
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		<title>By: blackromancereader</title>
		<link>http://readerimarriedhim.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/thoughtlessly-consuming/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>blackromancereader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently reviewed an urban fantasy novel to express my opinion that the paranormal explosion and growing popularity of sf/f romances allows white readers and writers to explore racism, classism, etc in a &quot;safe&quot; space. On one hand I do enjoy the questions raised in many of my favorite UF series, but on the other, it further frustrates me because 1) it seems like a combination of &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/7-diversity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/20-being-an-expert-on-your-culture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;
2) Minority writers of sf/f, paranormal fiction and urban fantasy who don&#039;t &quot;write white&quot; are still marginalized and 3) it is incredibly insulting that white readers/writers can only handle these serious topics in a fantasy world that can be ignored the second they close the book (and honestly, I don&#039;t think the average reader is even aware of that &quot;safe&quot; space) and to bring real life to their attention only makes them defensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently reviewed an urban fantasy novel to express my opinion that the paranormal explosion and growing popularity of sf/f romances allows white readers and writers to explore racism, classism, etc in a &#8220;safe&#8221; space. On one hand I do enjoy the questions raised in many of my favorite UF series, but on the other, it further frustrates me because 1) it seems like a combination of <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/7-diversity/" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/20-being-an-expert-on-your-culture/" rel="nofollow">this</a><br />
2) Minority writers of sf/f, paranormal fiction and urban fantasy who don&#8217;t &#8220;write white&#8221; are still marginalized and 3) it is incredibly insulting that white readers/writers can only handle these serious topics in a fantasy world that can be ignored the second they close the book (and honestly, I don&#8217;t think the average reader is even aware of that &#8220;safe&#8221; space) and to bring real life to their attention only makes them defensive.</p>
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